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Interviews with Ammar Abdulhamid

Interviewed January 7, 2011

But in that moment, when I was, in 2005, face-to-face with Assef Shawkat, the brother-in-law of the president, basically, and it was very obvious that we are not, you know, you know, that the threat of basically getting killed was pretty open and pretty clear. And I defied him okay and showed no fear. But then I realized okay, now it gotten to this point. Now I´m being said if I continue down that road, I´m gonna end up dead.

I have a wife and I have two children. Now, the wife and two children are not– were new to me. I got married in 2002. My two kids are not actually mine. They are not my biological children. They are my wife´s from a previous marriage. Their father died in 1992 of cancer. And when I became part of the family, I became their father.

And they, within months, I mean, it was an, I don´t know, a marriage made in heaven, you can say. Because frankly, we loved each other so much and they started calling me, you know, father within weeks, you know? That was how close we really felt. And I felt that if I stopped– did not stop for a second and say, okay, is there a way out of this? And started to go that course full steam ahead, they will be orphaned again in a sense.

How I will do that again? Can I afford to be that heartless? You know, at one point in my life I decided, okay, as I said, I´m gonna be selfish and I´m going to go ahead and behave completely free and not care about the consequences. But once I got married and once I was in this position and then at that particular moment I realized I have a responsibility I´ve never had before.

Perhaps if they were my kids, perhaps if there was no such experience before I would not have cared. And I would have said okay, they´ll be happy. Their father is a martyr, or whatever, you know? My mom and my in-laws will care about them, no problem. But here there was this question of I chose to be part of a family, knowing the history. Knowing the suffering they´ve had. And now I´m gonna impose on them a further layer of suffering. The same kind.

In a sense that is cruel. I couldn´t– I couldn´t. So when– when I was talking to– to Assef Shawkat and I told him, “Look, I cannot work for you. And I´m not really afraid of dying. But if you wanted to kill me you would´ve done it already. Obviously you´re trying to give me a choice. But instead of making that choice between working for you or dying, why not leaving?

I´m not saying when I´m outside I´m not gonna be an equally active troublemaker, because that would be a lie. And I´m not gonna lie to you. But at least I won´t be here. I won´t be right there in your face every day. Will that be something that´s acceptable?” And he smiled and he said, “Yeah, that´s a perfect solution.” And we drank the rest of our tea and as I said, at the end of the meeting, give me that hug. And a sendoff.

So, but yeah, that was the first probably moment in my life when I actually, you know, I did the retraction. I consider still my departure of Syria to be a form of running away, whether I like it or not. There is no way to sugarcoat it. But I guess it was also a good decision nonetheless.