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Interviews with Ammar Abdulhamid

Interviewed January 7, 2011

I came to the United States in 1986. I went to the University of Wisconsin, to a small campus called Stevens Point, not the main campus in Madison. And I loved it over there. I mean it, to me, it was my coming-of-age experience was really in the United States and in Wisconsin in particular.

After a period of two years however, I was still young, a bit confused. I had Islamist tendencies at the time even though my family is pretty liberal and artistic. So I dropped out of college after a couple of years and went to Madison, went to a mosque there, became more invested in Islamic group. And I´ve read a lot about the history of Islam, the jurisprudence.

I went through that period for about– a couple of years, but by the end of it I became disillusioned really, I mean for a variety of reasons. The more I read about the history of Islam, the more I realized that there are a lot of conflict within the community and that we really need to look at it more objectively rather than be a partisan of this group or that group and that we needed somehow a new interpretation of the faith.

And I embarked on that and I felt that one thing that could help is if I understood more about the country that I was in. So I began reading about the history of the United States, the writings of the founding fathers, the Federalist Papers.

Basically, well I don´t know how many people can say the Federalist Papers actually inspired them to quit their fanatical sort of outlook on life, but to me the pragmatic spirit in the writings of the Federalist Papers and how people actually discussed how a nation can be established, how tyranny can be prevented through a structure of governments by separating the powers, by putting all these checks and balances within the system, I was fascinated by that.

By the time I graduated, I became more of a secular humanist in terms of my outlook on life and very much inspired, as I said, by the Americana, by the spirit, the experiment– that´s called the United States, how America came to be, the values of the founding fathers and how they did not impose them on the future generation. They sort of in a sense wrote a Constitution and a Bill of Rights that was meant to correct their failings and their own mistakes.

They empowered the future generations and they empowered posterity to be free and itself and to build something on a solid basis, but without being enslaved by an ideology. That was really empowering. And in Islam, especially today, a lot of people think about going back to the golden age of Islam for instance, and think a lot about the salaf, the people who came before, the ancestors.

When you read the founding fathers, they thought a lot about posterity and what posterity will think. A term in Arabic is Halaf –the posterity. And I wanted that sort of switch in our mind. To me, you know, stop thinking about the past, think about the future. It´s not how if the prophet was alive, for instance, will look and think about us, but how my kids will think about me in ten, 20, or 30 years time, how the future will think about us in the present.

So I became more really future oriented because of that. And I realized that this is the key to it all, that future orientation, that preoccupation with posterity and building something that can outlast you, that can you know, survive your own failings, basically.