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Interviews with Mahmoud Salem

Interviewed January 10, 2011

Ten years from now, I would like to live in a country that basically has a future– has the concerns of their own people in it, you know, at heart. That actually invests in education and invests in healthcare. That actually does not allow the money to be siphoned out by corrupt officials. Where corruption is not just the nature of, you know, how the country operates. I truly believe that in ten years, all those fights between the secularists and the Islamists will have died down. I don´t believe that the Islamists have it in them to continue this fight. I don´t think they have the mental capacity to continue doing it.

I don´t foresee any future in which they control the country. Or in which they still maintain a sizable influence. The more they are in the public sphere, the more they are forced to play ball, you know. And the more they are forced to play ball, the more politicized they get. And the more politicized they get, the more compromising they become. And the more compromising they become, their faithful will start losing faith in them or start seeing that their solutions not really solutions. So I don´t foresee that we´re going to live in a country that is completely secular, but I do believe that we are going to see lots of improvement when it comes to the country itself. I truly believe that it´s going to become a more accepting environment, more tolerant. And we´re actually going to start building.

We haven´t been building for about 60 years now, or at least 30 years. We haven´t had the institutions. We haven´t had the idea of how to be an active citizen, and I think that´s going to– I think that´s going to start happening. I think people are going to start caring more and more about stuff like that. And I think that time is on our side. I believe that we have enough young people and creativity and passion to actually get this country through the problem that it´s in. I don´t foresee the economic downturn to last more than three more years. As long as some sort of stability in government gets introduced, then I don´t think it´s going to be an issue at all for the country to move forward. I think if the– I think people are going to start paying more attention to things like the environment and what they eat and what they drink and the quality control over their lives. Because people are getting sick a lot in this country. Cancer is in every family now.

So in ten years, I believe we will have entire new generations, you know, just running around the streets of Egypt. Those are the– when people ask me why am I optimistic I think about where Egyptians took their kids and went and voted. And those kids had something that none of us had, which is the experience of going to a voting booth, you know? That´s in their psyche now. They´re going to expect this to be the case. You have 12-year-olds who are watching TV, which is not the stuff that we used to watch, which was nothing, basically. You had content of nothing. You know, they´re actually seeing all of the hot issues getting debated, concepts like socialism and liberalism and civilia– and, like, civil state versus Islamic state, and the role of the police, and the role of the army, and the role of the judiciary.

And, you know, and there is this awareness that´s getting formed in their heads, you know, that none of us had, an education that none of us did have, either. And I think that´s going to make a big difference when they hit 16 or 18 and go to university. And then Islamists try to recruit them or socialists start recruitment. It will be very hard for them to play that old game of getting someone who doesn´t know anything. Because if you don´t know anything by that time, it´s going to be over for you. And there are 16 year-olds who I envy heartily, because they took part in this revolution in their teens, you know? So I was very happy that the revolution happened when I was 29 years old, so I can claim to be a revolutionary in my 20s. I´m now 30. But they´re sitting back. They´re participating, and they´re watching. And they´re paying attention. They´re noting our mistakes. When it comes down to it, they´re not going to repeat our mistakes.

They´re trying to organize themselves from now. So I don´t think that this thing is over. I don´t think that if we don´t have people who are going to face the serious problems that we are having, I don´t think the problems are just going to go away, even if you throw us all in military prison. I think it´s a matter of having a country with a future, you know? And I believe this country has a future, because this country has nothing but young people. And those young people are becoming more savvy and smarter and stronger and, you know, more numerous than the other generations are. So in ten years, I expect a completely different country, you know, majorly, like exponentially different country than the one we have right now.