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Interviews with Mahmoud Salem

Interviewed January 10, 2011

Now that Mubarak is gone we were left with the military running the place. And the Egyptian people– Egypt is kind of a cursed country. Everybody has tried to invade it at some point. So when it comes down to the military, lot of the Egyptians are hard believers that we need to maintain it, and no one actually attacks the military institution, because they believe that those people who are protecting us. Those are also the people who have stalled the revolution and have made everything very, very slow for the past nine months. And actually have attacked revolutionaries, and started military trials for civilians and most recently killed Coptic protestors at Maspiro, killed Christian protestors at Maspiro.

So I´m not sure that, as long as they are in power unchallenged, that the country has any real future until they die or get removed. I truly believe that this is also the battle of generations. Everybody in the Supreme Consular Armed Forces are all, like, 60 and above. So they´re not necessarily a revolutionary institution. The military is not a democratic institution by principle. So having it oversee the democratic transition is just ridiculous, when you think about it. But you´re caught in the catch-22 of all times: With the police, you know, refusing to do their job, you cannot take out the military. And then you´ll be left with a serious vacuum when it comes to security.

What I would like to see in 10 years, what I expect is next two years of just utter chaos, continuous. That they have intended it to be this way. They have wanted to ensure that there would be a divided Parliament and a constitution that would allow them to have complete autonomy over their affairs, which cannot be allowed in civilian overview. And basically we gain the trust of people, and then you have democracy. That´s our plan.