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Interviews with Wei Jingsheng

Interviewed January 7, 2010

I think that Chinese people’s resistance to the Communist Party’s rule started at the very beginning when the communists took power. It started from the early 1950s. But this kind of resistance would be from the standpoint of maintaining the Communist Party, like it should be all right as long as some reforms are put in place.

Before the Democracy Wall in 1978, there were few people who proposed ending the Communist Party system. But only with a termination of the one-party regime of the Communist Party could China become good. The resistance had started shifting toward requesting a change from the Communist Party system, and this started from the Democracy Wall in 1978.

When we posted our opinions on the Democracy Wall, we were attacked by many people around the Democracy Wall. But the ordinary people enjoyed reading them. Many people were standing around and those posted opinions were widely spread.

So, at that time, most of the general public did not even think about overturning the Communist Party; however, a very few people thought about it and were frightened to speak out. But we spoke out at the Democracy Wall and made a public promotion and printed out some handouts and distributed them. This caused tremendous reactions in the mindset of the Chinese people.

So, after I was incarcerated and since the early 1980s, the opinions of demanding democracy in China, actually demanding a termination of the one-party rule of the Communist Party, spread rapidly. The whole 1980s became the biggest enemy of the Communist Party. Even people within the Communist Party stood up and said that China should take a democratic path and liberation, which were the main ideas that Deng Xiaoping hoped to suppress.

Soon the thoughts of democratization started brewing in Chinese society and getting more and more mature and growing broader. It was no longer limited to the legal system area. The entire society had started requesting democracy, in terms of freedom of speech and in terms of all aspects of the system. The people were demanding more openness, and also an open economy.

At this point, Deng Xiaoping on the one hand had to accept economic liberation in the society; however, in the political arena he thought he could maintain control. So he initiated some movements in an opposite direction, for example the Anti-bourgeois Liberalization Campaign, which was a very furious struggle during the entire 1980s.

On the one hand, the society was demanding liberation; on the other hand, Deng Xiaoping was continually launching this kind of campaign to oppose the liberation. The struggle was getting more and more intense, and it lasted until the end of the 1980s.

In fact, Deng Xiaoping’s approach of being open in the economy but definitely not open in the political area was formed gradually in the 1980s. At the beginning he did not understand, like many others, how China eventually was going to move. But soon he realized that without economic reform the Chinese economy would fall apart, and the Chinese people would no longer bear it and would force the communists to step down.

However, if he opened up politically and gave people freedom, the one-party rule of the Communist Party could no longer be sustained. He was very aware of this quandary in his mind. The growing conflict with the request for democracy from the society erupted in 1989. The conflict was also very intense within the Party; that’s why we saw the June Fourth Movement.

So he found in the economic area he could let things open up and develop, not only by allowing the Chinese people to develop the economy, but also attracting foreigners to come to China to help accelerate economic development. He thought as long as the economy’s developing well, and I let people get sufficient food, let people earn a sufficient amount of money, then the people wouldn’t rebel. This was his basic idea.

Deng Xiaoping thought – if the economy developed, then the Western people would believe there would also be democracy since their economy was developing. He developed this thought through the 1980s. But Deng Xiaoping also had thought about how to maintain a one-party dictatorship after economic development. The method was reflected in his famous statement, “Let some people get rich first,” or more specifically, let his kinsfolk get rich first.

If all the money is within the hands of their associates, then even with the development of a capitalist economy the Communist Party could still politically maintain a one-party dictatorship. He believed this so-called democracy was mastered in the hands of the capitalists; if the new capitalists were still part of our Communist Party members, then the power would still definitely remain in the hands of the Communist Party.