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Interviews with Wei Jingsheng

Interviewed January 7, 2010

Since 1990s, you could see Deng Xiaoping’s policy had a more pronounced character, which was more open to big foreign enterprises, more open to the big investment of Hong Kong, Taiwan and Western countries. Why so? Because he found out in the year 1989 that the pressure imposed by international society, especially the international society led by the United States, was not that great. That was one of the important conditions that allowed him to overcome the opposition.

In the two decades since 1989, the policies of the Communist Party have become more and more clear, which is to say, what they rely on has not really been the poor people of China, nor the so-called political left worldwide. What they really rely on has been international capitalism, including the capitalist class in China and in the Western world. Deng Xiaoping found out that as long as he gave them the opportunity to make money, they would definitely support the government.

In fact, they learned a lesson in 1989 – why the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe collapsed so quickly. They collapsed because they did not receive support from Western capitalists. The entire Western world had been opposing them, had been continuously opposing them. And with continuous pressure, it was bound to collapse at some crucial point. In order to make the Communist Party – the Chinese Communist Party – survive for long time, they figured they should go and unite with the Western capitalists.

Because of the big investments, and the fact that the Western world has made significant amounts of money in China, they not only persuaded the Western politicians, but also convinced the Western media to beautify the Communist Party’s rule. For this reason it has become extremely difficult to impose pressure from overseas on the Communist Party to make it change.

This is one of the most important reasons why, in 1997, I eventually accepted the exchange condition and came to the United States. I think the battle outside China has become a critical front in overturning the communist rule.

In China if you want to engage in any anti-Communist Party activities, then you would need some more or less free space. For example, if some people are there to give some anti-Communist Party speeches, then they would need some form of protection. Then the speech could gradually spread out and gradually take hold in the society and form a stream of force and a power. All these things call for certain protection, but where could this kind protection possibly come from, apart from some minimum protective measures from within the Communist Party?

The protection comes mainly from pressure imposed by international society. Through changes in the Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe as well as changes in South Africa, et cetera, we can see that the pressure coming from international society is very effective.

In fact, an extremely important factor in whether the domestic resistance movement within the country could reach a certain level or not is actually whether sufficient pressure could be obtained from overseas governments or not. We saw the success of the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, saw the success in South Africa. But we are dealing with the Chinese Communist Party; we are facing a totally new situation.

There is an effective way that is very simple, which is one the Americans have practiced before, with President Kennedy and Present Reagan, who adopted those clear and strong policies against the communist countries and to protect those anti-government people within. This is a very effective policy. But the problem is, under the current circumstances, I don’t think the American government can make it happen again like that.

I think there is a big problem that we have not discussed. That is, the Americans tend to make a mistake: they think they should act on behalf of the other people rather than provide assistance to the other people. This is one of the reasons they often make mistake.