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Interviews with Max du Preez

Interviewed May 20, 2024

Well, firstly I think what I’m showing in my book was that this talk of South Africa becoming a failed state or a banana republic, it’s just pure rubbish. There’s no evidence, there’s no suggestion that this is the way we’re gonna go. And I try very hard to explain that, firstly that despite what we think and see and feel, freedom and democracy have been written onto the hearts of most of South Africa’s people. And even when they do go through a populist phase, we’ll get to the point where you take your freedom away and then they’ll say, “No.” We have now become a nation of democrats. We have a constitution that is magnificent and is rock-hard and it’s solid and it stands there. It protects all your rights. It is the most magnificent document, and it’s guarded over by a credible and functioning constitutional court.

So that kills half the fears of especially whites, but also black people. It’s like, “Oh, apartheid’s going to continue. I’m gonna be exploited again. Oh, they’re gonna take my stuff away.” No, just look at the constitution. And if you don’t believe it, just go to the constitutional court. If you feel you’re wronged—and people have done this hundreds of times in the last 20 years, and the constitutional court came and made the right judgment according to all concerned. Most of those decisions went against government. So we have that. We have a functional, functioning judiciary.

We don’t have a military breathing down the civilian government’s necks like in Zimbabwe or in Egypt. We have a very strong civil society, increasingly so—activists. When the government decided to limit press freedom civil society just mobilized and government had to back down. When government didn’t believe that we should have an ambitious HIV and AIDS policy, civil society mobilized and now we have one of the best systems in the world.

So we have a country where you can’t—government can’t get away with anything without sanction. We have regular elections. We have an independent electoral commission that has absolute credibility. We have had many elections since ’94, national elections and local elections, and never once has anyone contested the legality of the elections or contested—questioned the credibility of our electoral body, which you can’t even say of the United States.

Our newspapers, our media are freer by the day and more diverse. I think we’re probably one of the most open societies in the world—in the world. We have progressive stuff going on. So I think I would’ve loved us to do a lot better, but I think we could’ve done a lot worse.