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Interviews with Kim Seung-chul

Interviewed May 20, 2024

To understand North Korea’s mentality you first have to understand that a North Korean’s perception of their country is skewed.

This is because North Korean authorities have indoctrinated every resident into believing that they are living in the best country led by the best leader under the best circumstances. People may be unhappy with life in North Korea, but it is very hard for them to be critical of the North Korean regime.

In the late 1990s through the early 21st century, many North Koreans defected after the famine. This is when North Koreans started understanding what their country was like as food and basic necessities had to be imported from China.

[In the mid-1990s, North Korea experienced mass famine that resulted in an estimated three million deaths.]

With those products came Chinese culture. It gave them a glimpse of China’s advancements. [South] Korean soap operas also entered into North Korea. To this day, when I meet a North Korean who recently defected, they know that something is wrong with North Korea but they don’t know exactly what and why. They have a hard time understanding the fundamental issues behind their feelings.

Even though all North Koreans are very poor, many people tend to think that Kim Jong Il is a great leader. But once they cross the border and spend a month in China, their mindset changes. But unless they have the chance to visit another country, they have no basis for comparison.

[Kim Jong Il (1941 – 2011) succeeded his father and led North Korea from 1994 until his death in 2011.]

I had the chance to speak on the phone with a North Korean who listened to my [radio] programs. He has actually defected to the South now. Back then he told me, “When I first listened to your programs I thought to myself: is this psychological warfare? Is this person trying to lie to me?” But after repeatedly being exposed to the program, he began believing what I was telling him.

Even so, he questioned my existence, the person speaking on the radio program. He told me my voice was unique and once he had a chance to talk with me over the phone, he believed everything I said. I had similar experience before coming to South Korea.

In recent years, a lot has changed in North Korea in terms of people’s mindsets. But even with this change and North Koreans dissatisfaction [with their situation], I don’t think they know what the core problem is within their society. This is why few North Koreans can think critically about their country.