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Interviews with Kim Seung-chul

Interviewed May 20, 2024

My motivation for becoming a human rights, reform, and liberalization activist can be explained in two ways. First, I was motivated out of affection and respect for human beings.

Second, I was motivated based on my determination to do something for my home country and a need to serve its people.

North Korea is a society where people believe that death can happen easily. The regime can kill you if you do something wrong; either by punishment or getting shot to death. Because this mentality is so prevalent, people do not value human life.

After spending about seven or eight years here in South Korea, I realized how precious human life is; not just my own but the lives of other people. Even today, when meeting defectors who have just crossed the border to the South, I know their mentality. They still have a mindset that thinks little of human life.

Regarding my second motivation, when I was working for the [Institute of North Korean Studies], I had chances to interview many defectors, and they would share their stories. One of them shared a story that took place in the area of Sinuiju in the late 1990s. This was during the period where around 3.5 million North Koreans starved to death.

[In the mid-1990s, North Korea experienced mass famine that resulted in an estimated three million deaths.]

One of this person’s colleagues did not come to work at the factory that day so he visited him at his home. Inside, they did not have a rice cooker or even proper dishes. His colleague, this person who did not come to work, had starved to death in his own house. His seven year old daughter was in the house as well, and she was half dead from starvation. They had this small dining, tea table and on the table, there were ten pieces of popcorn in a small cup. When people woke the daughter up and gave her some water, they asked her, “Why did you not eat the remaining popcorn?” She explained that she had wanted to use the popcorn as food to pay tribute to her father’s death.

I had heard many stories about people starving to death, but this particular story really touched my heart.

I thought to myself, “I am so well off here, and I am leading such a stable life.” When my father was alive, things were okay. About ten years after my father’s death, my family became very poor, because I didn’t have the right kind of songbun or social class.

My wish had always been not to be evaluated based on social class and by authorities, but based on my abilities.

[Songbun is a system used by the North Korean regime to classify citizens’ attitudes toward the regime as core, wavering, or hostile. An individual’s songbun status is influenced by his family’s status and helps determine career prospects, housing and even access to food.]

Now that I have these abilities, I knew that I had to do something for North Korea. I told myself that I would do what I could to the best of my abilities. Because my own thoughts and perceptions had changed after defecting, I was determined to awaken North Korea’s elite. In the past I always felt something was wrong, but I didn’t know exactly how and what was necessary to solve those problems.

That is the reason I started broadcasting.