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Interviews with Albie Sachs

Interviewed May 20, 2024

Two years later I’m picked-up again. I won’t go through all the details, but this time I’m given sleep deprivation with a team of six it turns out, two on for 40-50 minutes, banging, shouting, making a noise and then total silence and then bang, bang, bang, bang, noise and then total silence.

They leave and another two come in and it goes on through the afternoon, through the night. I’m given something to eat and I detect with my cross-examiners, intuitions if you like from my days in court, there’s a kind of a smirk on their face and I’m fairly sure there was something in the food. Overwhelming feeling of fatigue and my body is fighting my mind and my will.

Eventually in the early hours of the morning I collapse onto the floor and there are feet around me, black shoes, white shoes, water is poured onto me. I’m lifted up. A really famous interrogator named Swanepoel, S-W-A-N-E-P-O-E-L, Swanepoel is in charge and he lifts me up and he’s got thick, heavy fingers and he pries my eyes open and puts me back on the chair. I topple down again, it happens a few times. Eventually I’m sitting there and I know I’m breaking down and I try to control my breakdown.

[Theunis Swanepoel (1928 – 1998) was one of the South African apartheid government’s most notorious interrogators.]