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Interviews with Andrzej Celinski

Interviewed May 20, 2024

So then 1976 rolled about, with the food price hikes in June. [Large demonstrations erupted in several Polish cities when the government dramatically raised prices on basic foods. The government responded with a violent crackdown.] And here we come to the beginnings of the history of KOR. [The Workers’ Defense Committee was an anti-communist underground civil society organization in the 1970s, formed to provide assistance to laborers and others persecuted by the government. Many of Solidarity’s leaders were also active in KOR.]

One thing we need to add is that one significant external circumstance to this was the Helsinki Accords process. [The Helsinki Accords were an international treaty signed by 35 countries in 1975. They guaranteed basic human rights and promoted cooperation between the Soviet bloc and western nations. Dissidents and activists in the communist countries used their governments’ signatures to the treaty to advocate for freedom and human rights.] Namely, Leonid Brezhnev [General Secretary of the Soviet Communist Party from 1964 to 1982.], or in particular the Soviet Union in the 1960s and the beginning of the 1970s had tried breaking apart the now uniting Europe – the EEC [European Economic Community, predecessor to the European Union] – through local Communist parties: through the Communist parties in Western Europe. In fact, in the 1950s as well.

As an example, various Communist parties of the Eastern Bloc would virtually finance the Communist parties of Western Europe. So now I think we have reached the KOR times now because we are at 1976. I think the important thing is that the Russians had changed their tactics by then. And so when they saw that it was impossible to bust apart the West by use of the communists, the Communist parties there, they tried to draw into a mutual political process the United States, Canada, and especially the countries of Western Europe – as part of the Helsinki Process. I will not recount this in detail; since this is a well-known story – they lost that bid.

They miscalculated, the Third Basket toppled their objectives. [The Helsinki Accords covered a wide variety of issues, divided into “baskets.” The Third Basket dealt with a range of human rights issues, including freedom of expression and the right to emigrate. By signing the Helsinki Accords, the communist governments committed themselves to respecting these rights.] Now, for our part, we chose the tactic of not notifying the authorities about our activities, within our organization, and resting [our platform] directly upon constitutionally guaranteed freedoms.

We did not ask the authorities to approve our organizing effort because then they would have refused, but without notifying the authorities that we were self-organizing, and by standing directly on constitutional rights, we created a situation under the umbrella of the Helsinki Process which was quite uncomfortable for the authorities. Because on the one hand these were already existing organizations. And, you know, for Communists, a self-organizing society is an abomination, something outlandish. And on the other hand, they were hard-pressed to really assault us because of their obligations under the Helsinki Process.

So they were reduced to sort of tugging at us, but this was something incomparably less than the situation from previous decades, for instance from the 1950s. So therefore this Helsinki umbrella added significance because effectively, authorities had tied their own hands with their activities in the international arena. Of course this was accompanied by the entire, so to say, complex international political game. A Russia that was aging, and was not keeping up – especially later in the 1980s things was absolutely crumbling, it was breaking up under the stress of the arms race.

This search for – Russia was searching for – I did some research on this later, recently, actually, in documentation, which for instance indicates that the Russians, the Soviets, were searching for some manner of detente with the West starting already back in 1953. They thought they would outwit the West, this was their conception of political power, which held that political authority has much more loyalty to its own self than it does to its people. And therefore they would meet with understanding in the West as one political power to another political power. That in return for a commercial exchange, in return for lowering the fear of nuclear annihilation, in return for the loosening up of certain threats in state to state relations, so to speak, they will obtain acquiescence in their own internal policies. And they miscalculated.